http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ a forum for the IllegalBillboards.org community en Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:53:22 +0000 http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=61#post-188 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:59:52 +0000 J 188@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10212008/news/regionalnews/next_stop__digital_ads_134589.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/seven/10212008/news/regionalnews/next_stop__digital_ads_134589.htm</a> </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=60#post-187 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:18:21 +0000 jordan 187@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>can you imagine. i must say with an expected 125 million this year in revenue the MTA is gonna have to make a lot more to put any significant amount into the 11.5 billion dollar MTA budget through advertising. why do we expect ads to pay for our city operating costs. when did that become the norm or a legitimate way to deal with crumbling infrastructure. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=59#post-186 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:12:29 +0000 jordan 186@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>J welcome to the table. can we know a little about yourself? </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=58#post-185 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:01:35 +0000 jordan 185@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>i mean really 10 million? that's about 1/50th of 1 percent of our budget. love advertising? or is bedfellows with is more the question.. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=58#post-184 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:00:07 +0000 jordan 184@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>seems like the city has a poor plan to solve its budget issues </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=60#post-183 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:12:17 +0000 J 183@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/business/media/17adco.html?_r=2&#38;partner=rssnyt&#38;emc=rss&#38;oref=slogin&#38;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/business/media/17adco.html?_r=2&#38;partner=rssnyt&#38;emc=rss&#38;oref=slogin&#38;oref=slogin</a> </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=57#post-182 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:07:57 +0000 J 182@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>How does Lamar stay in business? You need to do better research my friend.</p> <p>They just bought Vista Media in the last 6 months.</p> <p>They are all over the country.</p> <p>Find out how they stay in business. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=57#post-181 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:20:17 +0000 DocRobbie 181@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>My project is for a business class, I just can't seem to understand how Lamar remains in business, their return on investment is only 3%. These billboards only seem to have a life of 10 years. The billboards may never pay for themselves. I think Clear Channel does ok with 16% by charging more because they are in more urban areas. I think perhaps Lamar may be in trouble. I just wish I could find these missing billboards. Maybe that would fill in the gaps. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=59#post-180 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:14:00 +0000 J 180@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p><a href="http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/ad-or-art-chanels-255-vs-zonings-c5-3/" rel="nofollow">http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/ad-or-art-chanels-255-vs-zonings-c5-3/</a> </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=58#post-179 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:11:25 +0000 BIZ 179@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p><a href="http://www.amny.com/news/local/am-ads1016,0,2537221.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.amny.com/news/local/am-ads1016,0,2537221.story</a></p> <p>Seems like the city doesn't hate advertising as much as you think they do. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=57#post-178 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:06:49 +0000 BIZ 178@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>good point jordan!</p> <p>I thought he was only talking about Billboard type signs. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=57#post-177 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:57:03 +0000 jordan 177@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>there are about 80 digital urban panels operated by cbs outdoor at the entrances and exits of many NYC subway stations. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=57#post-176 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:46:28 +0000 BIZ 176@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>There are obviously some in Times Square.</p> <p>Not sure where else you are going to find them in NYC or the surrounding areas. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=57#post-175 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:29:56 +0000 DocRobbie 175@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>Hi I am currently doing a research project on digital billboards. Has anyone compiled a list of sites where these are installed? I saw somewhere that there are 1,100+ installed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=56#post-174 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:56:02 +0000 steve 174@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>a well crafted google search got me nothing. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=2#post-173 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:12:10 +0000 jordan 173@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>Also he said this which i thought very interesting.</p> <p>But I am fairly certain that while certain rules do not apply to accessory use signs (such as distance from parks and highways), the rules for calculating the allowable size of signs apply to all signs. The basic rule in Manufacturing districts is that the total area of all signs on a building lot can't exceed six times the length of the total street frontage of the lot (so for some large buildings, a 2000 sf sign would be legal). </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=2#post-172 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:08:15 +0000 jordan 172@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>So i have been discussing with a friend the rules of accessory signage and hee is what he has to say.</p> <p>The sign you describe on 10th Ave.(The liquor signs at 15th street which are owned by the LVMH group according to BIZ) is also not an accessory use sign. Any sign that "directs attention to goods and services at a location other than the premises where the sign is located" is an "Advertising Sign." An accessory use sign directs attention to a business at the same location only.</p> <p>The DOB site does say this about accessory signs "What is NOT an Advertising Sign? A sign that directs attention to a business at the same location as the sign."</p> <p>Not sure what to think but thought there was an interesting distinction to be made here. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=56#post-171 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:29:49 +0000 jordan 171@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>so a friend sent me this info cause he thought the billboard was illegal. 54 Watts has permits for advertising (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/WorkPermitDataServlet?allisn=0001734783&#38;allisn2=0000604928&#38;allbin=1007123&#38;requestid=2) and accessory signs (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/WorkPermitDataServlet?allisn=0001811343&#38;allisn2=0001498813&#38;allbin=1007123&#38;requestid=2). can anyone tell me if charles schwabb or some other parent company of chalres schwabb operates out of that building? if not then the sign is about 4 times the size it is permitted for.</p> <p>my friend writes</p> <p>Here's a photo of the billboard on the side of the new hotel at 54 Watts St. Also, the permit for its installation that says: INSTALL A NON-ILLUMINATED ADVERTISING WALL SIGN 12'-4 1/2" X 30' ON THE EAST WALL. NO CHANGE TO ZONING, USE, EGRESS OR OCCUPANCY. The actual size is more like 28 x 40, or 3 times the sf allowed by permit and by law based on building frontage. The sign company is in a legal dispute related to installation with the owner of the building below, probably explaining why the content of the sign is so out of date. Also, the complaint from 4/1/08 that is still active and has not been inspected. They also got a permit to install a sign on the other side of the building (over our building) but they backed off (the permit was apparently improperly issued because the total on the two sides would exceed the sf allowed and also the sign would face an arterial highway (holland tunnel entrance) about 200 feet to the west). </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=2#post-170 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:20:01 +0000 BIZ 170@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>I have done my research and this is what I found :</p> <p>Van Wagner seems to be the exclusive media company that places signs on Manhattan Mini-Storage.</p> <p>Van Wagner has extreme ties to the city especially as they sell advertising on almost every telephone booth. As I have explained before, they are so tight with the city that they were granted permits for signs directly across from Penn Station when some of those buildings are in zones that DO NOT ALLOW ADVERTISING SIGNS!</p> <p>I know this won't discourage you, but good luck in fighting them. </p> <p>Look forward to your updates. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=2#post-169 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:58:34 +0000 admin 169@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>I went by this place today to take some photos of the lights. A guy in a suit came out and asked what I was doing photographing his building. I explained that the sign had no permit and neither did the lights. He didn't seem to understand why a citizen might care about the sign. He also insisted that they had permits for everything and that Charles Schwab kept an office in the building. </p> <p>It's a Manhattan Mini Storage facility.</p> <p>I suppose I'm to believe that when the Love Guru movie billboard was up and the State Farm billboard after, that Mike Myers and State Farm both kept an office in the building as well.</p> <p>He also told me if I kept taking pictures he would call the police. Seeing as that I was on the sidewalk I told him he could call the police, but I would still take photos.</p> <p>I am now more determined to get this sign removed. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=2#post-168 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:16:13 +0000 steve 168@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>I just noticed the other day this sign has massive lights that shine on it from both the building, and a structure erected across the street. Since it's illuminated, this might increase the severity of the violation. I will add this to my complaint asap. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=55#post-167 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:14:28 +0000 BIZ 167@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p><a href="http://www.mta.info/mta/news/releases/?en=081002-HQ36" rel="nofollow">http://www.mta.info/mta/news/releases/?en=081002-HQ36</a> </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=54#post-166 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:47:47 +0000 jordan 166@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>This isn't a big problematic billboard but it sure as hell doesn't have a permit.<br /> complaint #1236797...<br /> <a href="http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/OverviewForComplaintServlet?requestid=2&#38;vlcompdetlkey=0001083910" rel="nofollow">http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/OverviewForComplaintServlet?requestid=2&#38;vlcompdetlkey=0001083910</a></p> <p>link to permits page<br /> <a href="http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/PermitsInProcessIssuedByBinServlet?requestid=1&#38;allbin=1012447" rel="nofollow">http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/PermitsInProcessIssuedByBinServlet?requestid=1&#38;allbin=1012447</a> </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=53#post-165 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:32:09 +0000 BIZ 165@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>I know Steve had written about on the aaa site that he thinks it is a bad idea and won't help the city by adding more advertising such as allowing for signs on construction fences , garbage cans and more.</p> <p>I have a feeling with this $1.5 Billion budget cut, you are definitely going to see this happen sooner than later.</p> <p>The city is hurting and they need money. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=48#post-164 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:01:16 +0000 steve 164@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>i would imagine so. Otherwise they would need a different permit. Worth calling in at least. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=52#post-163 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:24:58 +0000 steve 163@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>380 Hooper in Brooklyn has 2 5x11 foot billboards on the side of the building in a residential neighborhood. No permits on DoB site.</p> <p><a href="http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/PropertyProfileOverviewServlet?boro=3&#38;houseno=382&#38;street=Hooper+St&#38;go2=+GO+&#38;requestid=0" rel="nofollow">http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/PropertyProfileOverviewServlet?boro=3&#38;houseno=382&#38;street=Hooper+St&#38;go2=+GO+&#38;requestid=0</a></p> <p>Will post a photo soon. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=2#post-162 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:36:51 +0000 steve 162@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>I was thinking about this more while on a boat looking at all the signs on the west side highway yesterday. Some may be grandfathered, but the worst ones are vinyl wallscapes. There's <strong>no way</strong> those are grandfathered because the technology only came about in the past 10 years or so. </p> <p>So, from what I've deduced, the West Side Highway is an arterial highway with lots of illegal vinyl wallscapes that we should make sure have been called in.</p> <p>Then we need to dog the DoB to make sure the laws are being enforced. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=8#post-161 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:36:39 +0000 steve 161@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>then why is the DoB issuing a violation? </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=8#post-160 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:24:34 +0000 BIZ 160@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>Steve- You can 100000000000% have on on-premise sign adjacent to an arterial highway. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=2#post-159 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:11:59 +0000 steve 159@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>some but not all! </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=8#post-158 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:10:28 +0000 steve 158@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>Ah, the complaint for this billboard has been forwarded to <a href="http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/OverviewForComplaintServlet?complaintno=1223722&#38;go6=+GO+&#38;requestid=0">this number</a> - which is a complaint that the billboard is across from a park.</p> <blockquote><p>Disposition: 08/20/2008 - - B1 - BUILDINGS VIOLATION(S) PREPARED &#38; ATTEMPT TO SERVE WILL BE MADE</p></blockquote> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=8#post-157 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:07:08 +0000 steve 157@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>we now know that this is adjacent to an arterial highway based on what we know about <a href="http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=2">520 w 17th</a> </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=38#post-156 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:34:35 +0000 steve 156@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>BIZ, how can back that Helio claim up? </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=2#post-155 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:45:15 +0000 BIZ 155@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>So, the West Side Highway is an arterial highway, which makes a lot of those vinyl signs in the Chelsea area even more legally weak.</p> <p>Not necessarily! Remember, some of those signs have been there forever and therefore, are grandfathered. </p> http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/topic.php?id=2#post-154 Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:13:12 +0000 admin 154@http://forum.illegalbillboards.org/ <p>just noticed that one of the permits says: </p> <p>- ADJACENT TO ARTERIAL HIGHWAY - YES</p> <p>So, the West Side Highway is an arterial highway, which makes a lot of those vinyl signs in the Chelsea area even more legally weak.</p> <p>Also, called this in again and talked to an inspector. He said illegal signs are Priority C and take around 90 days for inspection. Priority A are signs that are immediately physically dangerous i.e falling, etc. Priority B is making sure signs on construction sights are present and correct. He said there are less than 10 inspectors working on signs.</p> <p>Anyway, his name is Patrick and we emailed him a photo of the sign to help out today! Hoping we can build a relationship. </p>